To Doc Stewart: Let’s hear it from the man himself. He is a brilliant strategist.
Source: Congrats Germans! This Is How You Do a Putin Interview
Wed, Jan 13
Putin used Russia’s Christmas break to give an interview for the German tabloid Bild-Zeitung (see here and here).
Unusually for the Western media, the German interviewers proved to be both well-informed and intelligent and avoided cliches, giving Putin a good opportunity to explain himself concisely on a wide range of topics.
The fact the interviewers from Bild-Zeitung conducted the interview so intelligently incidentally shows that the true causes of the present tensions in international relations are well understood in Germany – including by the media there – even if they are not openly articulated.
NATO Expansion – “not an inch east”
On most of the topics covered by the interview, Putin had little to say that was new. This issue was the exception.
As is well-known, the Russians have an established grievance that following the fall of the Berlin Wall NATO was expanded eastward in contradiction to promises given to Russia.
There has in recent years been a sustained attempt by some academic historians in the US to deny this.
Supposedly no promise not to extend NATO eastward was ever given, and the well-known statements – some of them public – made by various Western officials over the course of 1990 that appear to make that promise supposedly only referred to eastward deployment of NATO military installations in the former East Germany and were only intended to apply whilst the USSR was still in existence.
This denial is scarcely credible, and has been flatly contradicted by some Western officials who were actually involved in the talks.
Putin claims he recently ordered research of the Russian archives and that further confirmation the promise was given has been found there.
Putin refers to talks between Valentin Falin – the then head of the Soviet Communist Party’s International Department – and various German politicians, which he claims have never been made public up to now.
Since Valentin Falin was a Communist Party official records of his meetings would have been kept by the Soviet Communist Party’s Central Committee rather than by the Foreign Ministry, which may be why they have been overlooked up to now.
Putin claims these records not only provide further proof the promise was given, but show that one of Falin’s most important interlocutors – the prominent SPD politician Egon Bahr – even suggested recasting the entire European alliance system to include Russia, and warned of future dangers if this were not done.
Bahr has just died, and it may be the true reason the Russians are only disclosing what he told them now was to spare him embarrassment.
If so then Putin’s disclosure of his conversation in 1990 with Falin may have been intended as much as a reminder to contemporary German politicians – Merkel, Gabriel and Steinmeier – that the Russians keep a complete record of what they tell them, as it was to cast light on the question of what promises were given in 1990 on the question of NATO expansion.
My own view is that though a promise not to extend NATO eastward was definitely and repeatedly given the Western politicians and officials who gave it with a few notable exceptions never had any serious intention of keeping it.
Bahr – who I remember well – was no such exception. His grandiose talk of a pan-European alliance including Russia was in my opinion just another example of a German politician pulling the wool over the Russians’ eyes in order to make it easier for the Germans to achieve their goal – which was German unification within NATO.
I strongly suspect Putin thinks the same thing.
His single most interesting comment in the whole interview was his admission that Russia was itself to blame for trusting the West too much, and for not defending its interests vigorously:
“We have failed to assert our national interests, while we should have done that from the outset. Then the whole world could have been more balanced.”
That comment is as much a pointer to how the Russians will act in the future, as it is about the past.
The “Right” of East European nations to join NATO and the EU
Anyone who discusses the issue of NATO’s and the EU’s eastward expansion with one of its advocates invariably comes up against the argument that the Russians have no right to complain about NATO’s and the EU’s eastern expansion because it is the right of the people of eastern Europe to have it.
I saw this argument used again just a few days ago in a discussion between the British journalist Peter Hitchens – who opposes NATO’s and the EU’s eastward expansion – and a group of British students.
It should be said clearly that this is a bogus argument.
East European states have no “right” to join NATO or the EU. They have a right to apply to join NATO and the EU.
NATO and the EU have no obligation – legal or moral – to accept that application if it is made. On the contrary, they have a duty to refuse that application if accepting it threatens peace and contradicts promises they made previously to the Russians.
As for the Russians, they have as much right to object to NATO’s and the EU’s eastern expansion as the east Europeans have to demand it. In fact, given that they were repeatedly promised it would not happen, they have more right.
Whenever this point is made, it always seems to come as a surprise – even though it is in essence no different from what Westerners tell the Russians – that they are free to apply to join NATO or the EU if they wish, but there is no chance they will ever be admitted.
It is striking therefore to see Putin – for the first time to my knowledge – publicly make this point:
“Does the (NATO) Charter say that NATO is obliged to admit everyone who would like to join? No. There should be certain criteria and conditions. If there had been political will, if they had wanted to, they could have done anything. They just did not want to. They wanted to reign. So they sat on the throne. And then? And then came crises that we are now discussing.”
Ukraine and the Minsk Agreement
Following my piece on the importance of the appointment of Boris Gryzlov to the position of Russia’s representative on the Contact Group, there was some understandable concern that the appointment of this heavyweight was being made in order to bully the militia into making more concessions to the Ukrainians.
Putin’s interview should put that fear to rest. He makes absolutely clear that it is Kiev that is breaching the Minsk Agreement, and that it is Kiev that must compromise.
Putin also makes the same point I have made previously – that it is completely absurd to link the question of lifting EU sanctions on Russia with that of the implementation of the Minsk Agreement, when it Ukraine not Russia that is not implementing it:
“Everyone says that the Minsk Agreements must be implemented and then the sanctions issue may be reconsidered.
This is beginning to resemble the theatre of the absurd because everything essential that needs to be done with regard to implementing the Minsk Agreements is the responsibility of the current Kiev authorities.
You cannot demand that Moscow do something that needs to be done by Kiev. For example, the main, the key issue in the settlement process is political in its nature and the constitutional reform lies in its core. This is Point 11 of the Minsk Agreements. It expressly states that the constitutional reform must be carried out and it is not Moscow that is to make these decisions.
Look, everything is provided for: Ukraine is to carry out a constitutional reform with its entry into force by the end of 2015 (Paragraph 11). Now 2015 is over.”
I would add that this exchange provides a good example of Putin’s extraordinary knowledge and mastery of detail. When the German interviewers tried to trip him by misrepresenting the content of the Minsk Agreement, he had the facts at his fingertips and immediately put them right:
“Question: The constitutional reform must be carried out after the end of all military hostilities. Is that what the paragraph says?
Vladimir Putin: No, it is not.
Look, I will give you the English version. What does it say? Paragraph 9 – reinstatement of full control of the state border by the government of Ukraine based on the Ukrainian law on constitutional reform by the end of 2015, provided that Paragraph 11 has been fulfilled, which stipulates constitutional reform.
Consequently, the constitutional reform and political processes are to be implemented first, followed by confidence building on the basis of those reforms and the completion of all processes, including the border closure. I believe that our European partners, both the German Chancellor and the French President should scrutinise these matters more thoroughly.”
As an aside, on the question of the legitimacy of the present Ukrainian government – something that still gets talked about in Russia from time to time – I would repeat a point that I made a year ago.
Not only does Putin continue to insist that the change of power in Ukraine in February 2014 was unconstitutional and illegal and was not a revolution but a coup, but he carefully avoids using the term “Ukrainian government” to refer to the authorities in Kiev. Instead he uses words like “Kiev” or “the present Kiev authorities” to refer to them.
It is difficult to avoid the impression that Putin – and presumably the whole of the Russian government – deep down do not consider the present government in Kiev to be legitimate – and will not do so until there have been fresh elections in Ukraine following agreement on a new constitution.